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What information may be derived from the [[assumption]] that civilization(s) continue for millions of generations?  Such information should help us better understand the conditions required for civilization to exist on this planet while the sun provides a suitable environment.
What information may be derived from the [[assumption]] that civilization(s) continue for millions of generations?  Such information should help us better understand the conditions required for civilization to exist on this planet while the sun provides a suitable environment.


Predicting the future is rather difficult. Let us try to avoid making predictions. And let us not (here) think about how (or if) we believe the [[assumption]] can or should be reached. Please consider and cite [[Organizations concerned with related topics |work that has already been done]] where appropriate.
Predicting the future is rather difficult. Let us try to avoid making predictions or speculations. The [[assumption]] may not allow valid conclusions for certain topics. We should try to find questions where it does and focus exclusively on those. Additional [[Assumptions | assumptions]] may be helpful later to answer additional questions. [[Implicit assumptions]] are hard to avoid but should be [[assumptions| declared] when recognized. Keeping the assumptions to a minimum will increase relevance. All this may be difficult and the rules should not hinder progress. Let us try without fear, and improve where we can later. 
 
Let us not (here) think about how (or if) we believe the assumption that civilization(s) continue for millions of generations can or should be reached. Those discussions could come later or elsewhere.
 
Please consider and cite [[Organizations concerned with related topics |work that has already been done elsewhere]] where appropriate. Please add links to other contributions wherever possible and make sure your new contribution is referenced in at least one other contribution.
 


= If a civilization continues for millions of generations... =
= If a civilization continues for millions of generations... =
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What would its average rate of [[population growth]] be?  
What would its average rate of [[population growth]] be?  


It managed to keep the population from falling [[lower limit of population|below critical limits]] and from rising [[upper limit of population|above critical limits]]. What can we learn from that?
It managed to keep the population from falling [[lower limit of population|below critical limits]] and from rising [[upper limit of population|above critical limits (if any)]]. What can we learn from that?


What [[threats]] did it have to survive? What information can be gained from the fact that it did survive the various threats?  
What [[threats to the existence of civilizations | threats]] did it have to survive? What information can be gained from the fact that it did survive the various threats?  


Which threats may exist that are [[threats beyond control|beyond control]] of any civilization?  
Which threats may exist that are [[threats beyond control|beyond control]] of any civilization?  
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How would such civilizations  satisfy the need for [[energy]]?
How would such civilizations  satisfy the need for [[energy]]?


What [[resources]] would it need? How much of them can each generation [[consume]]?
How much of the [[resources]] can each generation [[consume]]?
 
How much could [[entropy]] rise per generation?
 
What does [[sustainable]] mean for civilizations that continue for millions of generations?
 
Could different civilizations [[Coexistence of different civilizations on this planet for millions of generations | coexist]] on this planet for millions of generations?


What does [[sustainable]] mean for civilizations that continues for millions of generations?
Could a civilization be [[Replacement of civilizations | replaced]] by another?  




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Revision as of 21:21, 13 September 2008

What information may be derived from the assumption that civilization(s) continue for millions of generations? Such information should help us better understand the conditions required for civilization to exist on this planet while the sun provides a suitable environment.

Predicting the future is rather difficult. Let us try to avoid making predictions or speculations. The assumption may not allow valid conclusions for certain topics. We should try to find questions where it does and focus exclusively on those. Additional assumptions may be helpful later to answer additional questions. Implicit assumptions are hard to avoid but should be [[assumptions| declared] when recognized. Keeping the assumptions to a minimum will increase relevance. All this may be difficult and the rules should not hinder progress. Let us try without fear, and improve where we can later.

Let us not (here) think about how (or if) we believe the assumption that civilization(s) continue for millions of generations can or should be reached. Those discussions could come later or elsewhere.

Please consider and cite work that has already been done elsewhere where appropriate. Please add links to other contributions wherever possible and make sure your new contribution is referenced in at least one other contribution.


If a civilization continues for millions of generations...

What would its average rate of population growth be?

It managed to keep the population from falling below critical limits and from rising above critical limits (if any). What can we learn from that?

What threats did it have to survive? What information can be gained from the fact that it did survive the various threats?

Which threats may exist that are beyond control of any civilization?

How much would its average economic growth be?

Could it keep on increasing its knowledge?

How would such civilizations satisfy the need for energy?

How much of the resources can each generation consume?

How much could entropy rise per generation?

What does sustainable mean for civilizations that continue for millions of generations?

Could different civilizations coexist on this planet for millions of generations?

Could a civilization be replaced by another?


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